tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1409887812566625284.post690573369791673997..comments2024-03-27T13:16:32.943-05:00Comments on Western Fictioneers: WESTERN WOUNDS -- HOW ACCURATE IS THAT?Western Fictioneershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01683314579075461026noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1409887812566625284.post-72679968877385274542013-07-28T11:08:45.454-05:002013-07-28T11:08:45.454-05:00Sounds interesting! I better look that up as a ref...Sounds interesting! I better look that up as a reference. Thanks, Oscar!Meghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10734148270217773194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1409887812566625284.post-78077892658725733772013-07-27T17:30:44.152-05:002013-07-27T17:30:44.152-05:00I have Dr. Chase's book (a signed copy, by the...I have Dr. Chase's book (a signed copy, by the way) which is entitled "Dr. Chase's Family Physician, Farrier, Bee-Keeper, and Second Receipt Book" of 1873 which I refer to quite often. The book is still under copyright. Oscar Casehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10328166606910469945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1409887812566625284.post-2087253319662367662013-07-27T04:27:02.798-05:002013-07-27T04:27:02.798-05:00Sorry, I meant to add, that Charlie's excellen...Sorry, I meant to add, that Charlie's excellent novel Road to Rimrock features Dr Goodfellow. It is well worth reading. <br /><br />I am also a Goodfellow fan, which folk may have noticed, and I am writing a novel about him for the West of the Big River series. Watch this space (or wherever the space one should watch - is!)<br /><br />KeithKeith Souterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15206349930107528691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1409887812566625284.post-19077937101421130592013-07-27T04:23:07.068-05:002013-07-27T04:23:07.068-05:00Hi Charlie, the things is that luck and good physi...Hi Charlie, the things is that luck and good physical constitution would play a part. Every wound is unique. Cole Younger was fortunate and clearly wasn't hit in a vital part. But of course, many people are not so fortunate and a single wound will do it. <br /><br />Dr Goodfellow describes a case of 'a Mexican or Yaqui Indian' admitted to his hospital 1883, wounded with ten buckshot. Three entered the left lung, three the abdomen, while the others were distributed harmlessly about his person (i.e., not potentially fatal parts). He saw him six days after the event and thought he would die. He survived another 24 hours, so he operated on the abdomen and repaired two holes in the intestine. He recovered after 'a long, tedious suppurative process about the large intestine, and was discharged after 5 months. The lung shots he lived with.<br /><br />Not only did Dr Goodfellow operate on gunshot wounds, but he performed autopsies on those who died of their wounds. '...in 1880, '81, '82, I never failed to investigate the nature of abdominal wounds, and have as often failed to find a vessel of any size cut. When a vessel of any size is injured, death is practically instantaneous.'<br /><br />Dr Goodfellow was not just a pioneering surgeon, but he was a pioneering pathologist and he gave us insights into the damage that could occur.<br /><br />KeithKeith Souterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15206349930107528691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1409887812566625284.post-13670108711823058842013-07-27T03:57:28.495-05:002013-07-27T03:57:28.495-05:00The Internet tells me Cole Younger with 11 wounds....The Internet tells me Cole Younger with 11 wounds.ChuckTyrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02609200010767178944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1409887812566625284.post-18377092710241918922013-07-27T03:54:49.041-05:002013-07-27T03:54:49.041-05:00I wonder how that Younger boy lived with so many g...I wonder how that Younger boy lived with so many gunshot wounds. (Searches memory) 11? 21? I've in fact heard of chest wound (lung shot) survival. Gordon Sherriffs wrote a book in which the hero had an arrowhead lodged close to his heart, but eventually, it was enclosed in an envelope of gristle and shoved out of his body (well, shoved far enough so a point stuck out and the doctor could cut the arrowhead out. Sounded completely logical. You know how the body tends to encase foreign matter. Maybe it wasn't a very dirty arrowhead.<br />ChuckTyrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02609200010767178944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1409887812566625284.post-8881094999398679492013-07-27T03:14:54.080-05:002013-07-27T03:14:54.080-05:00Thank you for inviting me, Meg. I enjoyed working ...Thank you for inviting me, Meg. I enjoyed working with you and thought they were good questions.<br /><br />Thanks everyone.<br /><br />KeithKeith Souterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15206349930107528691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1409887812566625284.post-76014665136932717172013-07-26T21:33:23.797-05:002013-07-26T21:33:23.797-05:00Always find Keith's comments informative. He a...Always find Keith's comments informative. He and I have worked together on several of the Wolf Creek books, and in the forthcoming Volume 8 I relied heavily on Keith's expertise as to how a character would recover from.... (Not gonna give anything away)<br /><br />Thanks, Keith.<br /><br />Jim GriffinAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1409887812566625284.post-41616282192251343682013-07-26T21:28:25.654-05:002013-07-26T21:28:25.654-05:00I always cringe at the "shoulder flesh wound&...I always cringe at the "shoulder flesh wound" - I had a shoulder injury and it took months to heal! Movie writers (and some novel authors) seem to think the shoulder is some superfluous part of the body without any major structures when actually it's one of the most complicated joints we have.<br /><br />Thanks Meg and Keith for another great article!J.E.S. Hayshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04040717916141732624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1409887812566625284.post-40130623643098155432013-07-26T21:04:42.968-05:002013-07-26T21:04:42.968-05:00Any time the good doctor speaks we all learn so ve...Any time the good doctor speaks we all learn so very much. Again a great informational post. DorisRenaissance Womenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09045401344374224512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1409887812566625284.post-34702687080663402142013-07-26T19:56:17.964-05:002013-07-26T19:56:17.964-05:00I was surprised too, Donna, about the arrow head ....I was surprised too, Donna, about the arrow head ... I will keep that in mind if I use that in a story.<br /><br />Meghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10734148270217773194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1409887812566625284.post-32824929036459881892013-07-26T19:11:53.633-05:002013-07-26T19:11:53.633-05:00Really enjoyed this discussion. Truly, Hollywood ...Really enjoyed this discussion. Truly, Hollywood takes wounds and life too far, but then, we eat it with a spoon like sugar when our heroes or heroines cowboy up. <br /><br />However, having broken my humerus (not funny at all) and having recently sustained an ulnar nerve injury, I can relate to the reality of the situation. <br /><br />I can also relate to the cowboy up theory and keep on keeping on when necessary. I think what really is mesmerizing is not that the people lived through the injuries, but that they survived the medical practices back then. <br /><br />Never thought about the arrow being designed to stay in. I sort of think being shot with a gun would be preferable! <br /><br />Thanks so much for giving us such good information!<br />Donna Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17565290101619228150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1409887812566625284.post-28371168215699795442013-07-26T18:30:59.406-05:002013-07-26T18:30:59.406-05:00'Tis only a scratch!'Tis only a scratch!Troy D. Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07744762061580915223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1409887812566625284.post-54418304227027032752013-07-26T17:53:04.614-05:002013-07-26T17:53:04.614-05:00He's a BUCKET of medical secrets, indeedy!! LO...He's a BUCKET of medical secrets, indeedy!! LOL... plus I'd just seen a clip of Clint Eastwood and an Indian in some movie making that palm "blood bond" thing, and thought, "OUCH!" So I figured it might be a good post. <br /><br />The shoulder thing came from Hell on Wheels and multiple other books and movies. Oh well. I prefer the flesh wound, myself. Except for the Monty Python one, of course. LOLMeghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10734148270217773194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1409887812566625284.post-49040578579445570912013-07-26T15:54:31.198-05:002013-07-26T15:54:31.198-05:00Great topic, you two. This answers a lot of good q...Great topic, you two. This answers a lot of good questions for those of us who use "wounds" a lot in our writing. Thanks for these great questions and answers!<br />CherylCheryl Piersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18116526340220274282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1409887812566625284.post-76140776164264259702013-07-26T11:47:55.218-05:002013-07-26T11:47:55.218-05:00Meg, thanks for dragging Dr. Keith back in here to...Meg, thanks for dragging Dr. Keith back in here to educate us all. Keith, you are a medical encyclopedia on the hoof, and I'm beyond grateful you're so generous with your knowledge!<br /><br />More than the wounds themselves -- which, after a while, you learn to just read without examining the severity too closely -- I get hung up on recovery periods. Heroes always seem to be hopping right back in the saddle and taking out after the bad guys, debilitating wound or not. Maybe docs had magical abilities back in the Old West. ;-)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05740371055384281988noreply@blogger.com