tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1409887812566625284.post986941867071624105..comments2024-03-28T15:10:11.645-05:00Comments on Western Fictioneers: Telegrams, Manners, and Roller Skating by @JacquieRogers #westernWestern Fictioneershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01683314579075461026noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1409887812566625284.post-79304863084469774172013-01-25T04:05:50.564-06:002013-01-25T04:05:50.564-06:00That's a really fun scene, Ron. I'm reall...That's a really fun scene, Ron. I'm really gonna have to get that movie and watch it. If I recall, it was panned for the most part, but my friends all liked it. So it goes.Jacquie Rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17361793932364487636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1409887812566625284.post-6460834940161381172013-01-17T23:44:29.187-06:002013-01-17T23:44:29.187-06:00There's a rolling skating sequence in Michael ...There's a rolling skating sequence in Michael Cimino's HEAVEN'S GATE, which takes place during the early 1890s. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiNlthlz1d8Ron Scheerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15357501069513854664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1409887812566625284.post-86002587460880845412013-01-17T23:34:08.409-06:002013-01-17T23:34:08.409-06:00The only cars in Silver City that I can find are o...The only cars in Silver City that I can find are ore cars, and miners did use them to get in and out of the long tunnels. But the passage quoted just doesn't fit with that, so maybe omnibus would work better. I'll have to ask someone from the historical society there.Jacquie Rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17361793932364487636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1409887812566625284.post-26208265082975770672013-01-17T23:13:19.190-06:002013-01-17T23:13:19.190-06:00Jacquie, could the "cars" have been omni...Jacquie, could the "cars" have been omnibuses, also called horsecars? Would be nice to know. Such a great blog post!! Love the cowboy-skaters image. Can't wait to read that scene in MINERS!Meghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10734148270217773194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1409887812566625284.post-37450146475886540322013-01-17T19:14:46.101-06:002013-01-17T19:14:46.101-06:00Linda, I'll keep an eye out for photos. They ...Linda, I'll keep an eye out for photos. They don't have many in <b>The Owyhee Avalanche</b> but they do have a few, plus some engravings. I wonder what the skates looked like? Dang, now I'll have to check that out. :)Jacquie Rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17361793932364487636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1409887812566625284.post-39357682019596061462013-01-17T19:13:02.904-06:002013-01-17T19:13:02.904-06:00Judith, I don't know what "cars" ref...Judith, I don't know what "cars" refers to. They had cable cars in SF (1871) but not in Silver City. No trains, either. They did have taxis, though. Maybe the reference is to that. I never heard of them called cars, though. Anyone have an idea about this?<br />Jacquie Rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17361793932364487636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1409887812566625284.post-49035426068222694312013-01-17T17:59:29.786-06:002013-01-17T17:59:29.786-06:00Jacquie, I wish you had a picture of the cowboys r...Jacquie, I wish you had a picture of the cowboys roller skating. I thought the article was interesting when it mentioned using the muscles. A town near where we live is now offering Roller Derby classes. There are 3 levels. If you get through the 3rd level you're ready for the real thing.<br /><br />Really enjoyed your post!Linda LaRoquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16672522522233696282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1409887812566625284.post-7560407845531691992013-01-17T16:45:33.470-06:002013-01-17T16:45:33.470-06:00Thanks for the fun and informative post, Jacquie. ...Thanks for the fun and informative post, Jacquie. I have a question: in the item about manners, one phrase, "occupy the largest possible space in the cars," caught my attention. Obviously, they weren't referring to the cars we know, but what kind of cars would they have been?Judithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04916675516577571595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1409887812566625284.post-48536848374178712672013-01-17T16:40:09.042-06:002013-01-17T16:40:09.042-06:00Jacquie, I think it is quite plausible to have a l...Jacquie, I think it is quite plausible to have a long wake for that reason. After all the 'premature burial' is a deep-rooted fear, as Edgar Allan Poe demonstrated in his 'immortal' dark tale. And catalepsy is a very real condition, whereby someone goes into a death like state. <br /><br />Sailors of old feared being thought to be dead while they were still alive, and buried at sea. They would be sewn into their hammock with cannonballs at their feet to take them down to the deep. Thirteen stitches would be used in the sewing, twelve to sew the hammock and the thirteenth to go through the nose, to ensure that they did not drown - for a drowned sailor could return to haunt his ship!<br />KeithKeith Souterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15206349930107528691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1409887812566625284.post-50054862580309535472013-01-17T16:33:30.362-06:002013-01-17T16:33:30.362-06:00Hi, Charmaine. Dodgy funerals--love the term! Bu...Hi, Charmaine. Dodgy funerals--love the term! But no, I just seem to be interested in more things than I can use, so this column will be a catch basin for the spill-over. :)Jacquie Rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17361793932364487636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1409887812566625284.post-78137268966888371042013-01-17T16:33:16.135-06:002013-01-17T16:33:16.135-06:00OGR, I have that soda pop scene in Much Ado About ...OGR, I have that soda pop scene in <b>Much Ado About Mavericks</b>. Haha. Thanks for stopping by.<br />Jacquie Rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17361793932364487636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1409887812566625284.post-36089991977884878232013-01-17T16:16:18.223-06:002013-01-17T16:16:18.223-06:00Keith, I've heard of the bell in the casket. ...Keith, I've heard of the bell in the casket. It doesn't seem at all as far-fetched now as it did when I first heard about it.<br />Jacquie Rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17361793932364487636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1409887812566625284.post-52088368632603795542013-01-17T16:16:05.727-06:002013-01-17T16:16:05.727-06:00Charlene, I think being buried alive is one of tho...Charlene, I think being buried alive is one of those primal fears right up there with the fear of being eaten. :shudder: And in the dark days of January, with no way out of a town that's 6,200' elevation and a hundred miles from any other civilization, those dark thoughts might be at the forefront.<br />Jacquie Rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17361793932364487636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1409887812566625284.post-51612726386185652962013-01-17T16:15:47.824-06:002013-01-17T16:15:47.824-06:00Alison, I agree about the manners. At least they ...Alison, I agree about the manners. At least they didn't wear their britches around their knees, though. Thanks for dropping in!<br />Jacquie Rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17361793932364487636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1409887812566625284.post-31491305743991697512013-01-17T16:15:33.385-06:002013-01-17T16:15:33.385-06:00Keith, I think in many cases, if they didn't d...Keith, I think in many cases, if they didn't detect breathing, a heartbeat, or if the person just held really still, they were considered dead. But I've heard this is why there used to be such a long wake (several days)--to give the person time to regain consciousness. Is that so?<br />Jacquie Rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17361793932364487636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1409887812566625284.post-92185446109754733452013-01-17T16:15:15.848-06:002013-01-17T16:15:15.848-06:00Cheryl, I really did laugh out loud when I read, &...Cheryl, I really did laugh out loud when I read, "...sure enough, she was dead." They did such a good job setting us up for that one. And I see Keith addressed the issue of how/why live people could be mistaken for being dead. Good, because I had no clue.<br />Jacquie Rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17361793932364487636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1409887812566625284.post-44188399943518263592013-01-17T16:14:52.709-06:002013-01-17T16:14:52.709-06:00Caroline, I'd thought rollerskating was an 189...Caroline, I'd thought rollerskating was an 1890s fad and it never occurred to me they'd have skating rinks in the Old West. Well, they did! :) BTW, I have your new book on my Kindle but just haven't had two seconds to do pleasure reading lately. <br />Jacquie Rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17361793932364487636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1409887812566625284.post-13756010011204990732013-01-17T16:14:34.804-06:002013-01-17T16:14:34.804-06:00Keith, thanks! Now we just have to see if they we...Keith, thanks! Now we just have to see if they were well-mannered while on rollerskates. My guess is yes, or they'd be summarily tossed out in a snow bank. :)<br />Jacquie Rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17361793932364487636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1409887812566625284.post-79841718553673276532013-01-17T16:14:18.798-06:002013-01-17T16:14:18.798-06:00Kathleen, as soon as I saw that article on roller ...Kathleen, as soon as I saw that article on roller skating, I penciled it into <b>Much Ado About Miners</b>, so we do have a pandemonium scene coming up. That's the fun thing about writing a column such as this one--ideas just keep coming. :) And yes, lots was happening in that blank space between Wyoming and the Oregon Coast (called Idaho). <br />Jacquie Rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17361793932364487636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1409887812566625284.post-3141347942174702002013-01-17T16:14:03.239-06:002013-01-17T16:14:03.239-06:00Sarah, thanks for stopping by. And I agree that o...Sarah, thanks for stopping by. And I agree that our manners haven't improved one bit. To the contrary, in fact.<br />Jacquie Rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17361793932364487636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1409887812566625284.post-90265709964136507382013-01-17T16:13:49.615-06:002013-01-17T16:13:49.615-06:00Livia, we just have to feel sorry for poor Frank. ...Livia, we just have to feel sorry for poor Frank. They had no antibiotics to treat him with so he just had to lie there and wait it out. The same with so many medical and dental difficulties--we take so much for granted today.<br /><br />As for the cowboys on rollerskates, I'd bet they were required to remove their hats in polite company. As in most boomtowns, there weren't very many women--10% to 30% depending on the year, and that percentage includes the soiled doves and saloon girls. So the ratio of "respectable" women to the men who wanted to take one home with him and make babies was pretty low. He'd gladly remove his hat to improve his chances.Jacquie Rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17361793932364487636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1409887812566625284.post-79352997260870838422013-01-17T16:13:05.919-06:002013-01-17T16:13:05.919-06:00Charlie, I wrote a blog that explains how Owyhee C...Charlie, I wrote a blog that explains how Owyhee County got its name over at Cowboy Kisses: <a href="http://cowboykisses.blogspot.com/2013/01/most-westerns-are-set-in-texas-arizona.html" rel="nofollow">A Fun Tour of Idaho History</a>. Owyhee is the original Anglo spelling (by Captain Cook) of Hawaii, and Owyhee County was named after some Owyheean furtrappers who went missing in the area and never found.<br /><br />Yes, I remember <b>Big Jake</b>. I thought it was kind of a mixed bag. Not one of my favorites, although I was sure smitten with Richard Boone. LOLJacquie Rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17361793932364487636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1409887812566625284.post-20470927833830458012013-01-17T16:03:02.974-06:002013-01-17T16:03:02.974-06:00Sounds like you've done a lot of research on d...Sounds like you've done a lot of research on dodgy funerals for this book!Charmaine Clancyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18059559142070140041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1409887812566625284.post-57969191335025009842013-01-17T15:44:41.437-06:002013-01-17T15:44:41.437-06:00Keith, I've heard that's where the saying ...Keith, I've heard that's where the saying "saved by the bell" came from.<br />CherylCheryl Piersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18116526340220274282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1409887812566625284.post-1136563568209163362013-01-17T12:16:25.010-06:002013-01-17T12:16:25.010-06:00And over in England in Victorian times undertakers...And over in England in Victorian times undertakers put little bells in coffins for just such an eventuality!<br />KeithKeith Souterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15206349930107528691noreply@blogger.com